MEREDITH
[ 00:00:07 ] Hello, welcome back Portugal Junkies, thank you for coming back and listening again and again. We have been overwhelmed by the support lately, haven't we? For definite, it's been a crazy week, yes. I mean, some really good things in terms of uh, you know, listeners and questions and engagement from people who are tuning in. But, a lot of crazy stuff going down in the U. S this week, and we thought it might be the time to have a podcast and a conversation um, really addressing what is probably on a lot of people's minds this week, which on the socials at least yeah it seems to be um very focused on. I'm leaving, I'm leaving the U.
MARK
[ 00:00:58 ] If, if so, and so happens if this keeps happening then I'm out um and so it seemed like a really good time for us to have this conversation absolutely and I think that's what I would also say that whether it's because of what we're doing or different algorithms or whatever but I'm starting to see more people, whether they're talking about going to Portugal or Greece or Italy or anywhere else, but there are more people doing their own platforms where they're talking about moving out, escaping from, going to somewhere else. Yeah and it's interesting, I don't know if that's because you know algorithms push it up because it's more of a talking Topic or what's going on right now, people are actively now, yeah, doing that.
MEREDITH
[ 00:01:48 ] Listen, let's just cut to the chase with the stuff that has happened this week, especially in the United States. I think a lot of people just fed up and they are trying to think about alternatives for themselves, and that is all very it's it's, it makes sense that people are considering these things, and so because we have done it, maybe not for those reasons which we're going to talk about but because we have done it, it seemed like a good time to have an episode to talk through and to maybe even help people understand better for themselves, what Were the reasons why we decided to move, yep, and then also think about the the criteria for yourselves right? Like, if you're on this kick this week and you're like, 'That's it, I'm going; I'm going somewhere else; I'm checking out.' Then how to have like a moment and breathe and go, 'Okay, is this really for me?' And for some people it will be yeah, and for some people it it might not be.
MARK
[ 00:02:52 ] And so we wanted to talk about that too, that could be for a multitude of reasons, like, yeah, I really want to move but just can't or I don't know how to or yeah, you know, so many different reasons. Or, I can and I've got the finances to be able to do it and I've got the opportunity.
MEREDITH
[ 00:03:05 ] To do it so I'm right, and I'm gonna do it or you listen to this podcast today, and by the end of it, we give you some reasons why it may not be the right thing for you, so that's what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the reasons why we came, yeah, and I think that's really decided to do that at the end of the day it's so important that you know we move for our reasons oh yeah, not the reasons why everybody online tells us that we did oh yeah because they all know but then also talk about the reason like the things that we've learned about ourselves now that we've done it and like why it wouldn't have been a good thing for us if. We were different people, right? Like we're going to talk about those things and hopefully help you guys uh kind of sort through some things on your own if this is something you've been thinking about absolutely. So what was the top reason why we were ready to make a change, move from the U. S.
MARK
[ 00:03:58 ] to Portugal uh I think just in one word is adventure yeah you know for us we met through adventure you know from well for me Match. com yeah Match. com like you keep saying you can't talk shit about them now i know but you know what do you mean yeah i love travel and the opportunity to go and work in the U.S. s and that's you know from from day one it was really okay, you know. It wasn't just traditional dating; it was like, yeah, let's go and do this, let's go there, let's travel there, let's fly here, let's get a boat and do this, you know. So everything was always about doing an adventure or having an adventure, be it big or small. Um, and I think that is the the one thing, or one of the things, um, that is big in our life. And that's really what motivated me to do it. And I think that's what motivated me to do it this move.
MEREDITH
[ 00:04:57 ] I know for me, it was about you know, not living the boring suburbia life. I think waking up after Covid and realizing that we lived in suburbia with no kids and um went hmm why why again we have the flexibility to go and see and do and all these things like for me it was like i wanted excitement and i wanted i wanted the adventure i also wanted to see this world like that's what it came down to like i grew up in north carolina i lived there my entire life until we moved here um yet we traveled a lot it was like our it's our favorite thing to do yeah before we moved here and it still is but like that was our we worked to buy trips basically and i i just wanted to see the world like i'm intrigued with it every place like that's different god there's so much to see and so many different kinds of cultures and traditions, and food, and wine, and everything, and it just it's addictive for me, so regardless of what people may assume about why we decided to move, myself that is the number one reason, and so we were running toward that, yeah, I think absolutely, I mean it was running to something not running away from something, yeah.
MARK
[ 00:06:32 ] Now people will tell us that we ran away, yeah, people will turn that and say 'oh, we know you better than you know yourself and it's like, yeah, job on... um, I think that's like, I don't know if you know, it's like social media version too good talk, good talk, that's my favorite thing to say, um, good talk, so you know. I think having the opportunities and abilities, as you say COVID, really stopped us for for a long period of time doing the things that we loved. And I think that now, or back then when it lifted, and it allowed us to catapult into travel going somewhere and then really realizing, as you say, living in suburbia was absolutely fantastic to a point-you know, it was comfortable, good jobs, um, beautiful home, beautiful home, and that's kind of like a privilege. And it puts you in a holding pattern for adventure, a goal, and handcuffs right. And so it's either a case of okay, well, you make it part of what you do, or you break out from. It and you go and do something else, yeah, so we took a beef now here, here's the real truth, you know.
MEREDITH
[ 00:07:42 ] Like, we-I would say the very next next issue that we had or reason that we had for moving was the political strife, and so let me be very clear: Portugal junkies, we are not We are not here to bash and we are not here to add to the vitriol that we hear all the time. But we are going to talk about the things that are real for us. And I know that many of you guys are going to understand what we're talking about because you're going to feel the same way that we do. But I do, I want to make sure that we tread lightly here because it's important to me that the community that we are building is not based in just bashing the other side and talking about, you know, all the political crap. But I'm not going to lie and tell you that the political strife in the U. S. started keeping me up at night a lot. And, you know. People will criticize when I say things like this and say, like, it kept me up at night and I would not even consider myself a marginalized group. Right. Right. Maybe as a woman, and I will say that there are very clear political decisions in the last couple of years that have affected me as a woman. But I know that I come from privilege. And. And yet, I am angered on behalf of a lot of marginalized groups that are just struggling to see where they fit in in the U. S. anymore. And, I don't know. It's hard to talk about this kind of stuff in a forum like this because I'm not trying to alienate people, but I'm also wanting to make sure that it's very clear as to why things need to change. But I'm not trying to alienate people, but I'm also wanting to make sure that it's very clear as to why things need to change. And, and it's all driven politically. It really is. Like people who can say, 'oh, I don't like to talk about politics.' That must be nice. That really must be nice for you that nothing affects you. Right. So anyway, the first issue is definitely safety, like the gun situation and the safety situation, especially. I think it really, really got to me post-covid.
SPEAKER_2
[ 00:10:15 ] Yeah.
MEREDITH
[ 00:10:16 ] And I think a lot of it had to do with seeing. Seeing honestly, seeing how many people were just so selfish about um the whole situation and trying to protect each other or not, yeah. And then post-COVID when you're like trying to like dip your toe back into going into bigger groups or whatever it is like, I don't think I ever got back there. No, I'm confident that you didn't; I've never-I will say I've never not gone to a concert since COVID because in America, in America being around like that many people all I can think about honestly is like what crazy who's standing next has a gun that is getting ready to like do something stupid, yeah. And that's just a story to outline right, like the idea that like safety is was a big issue even in Charlotte, North Carolina.
MARK
[ 00:11:16 ] Right it's hard to wake up and see that there's a shooting basically overnight every night in Charlotte, and I will say this when I first moved over in 2017-18 and for my first i think probably for my first month um in this really nice area of Charlotte, I think it was something like seven shootings in a month and that. Was just the ones I heard about, and as an Englishman coming across to the US for this fantastic job opportunity and blah blah blah and thinking
MEREDITH
[ 00:11:50 ] 'Sorry that's the train did you hear it? I'm sorry, that was the train. We have a little tourist train that goes by our door, it's pretty cool anyway.
MARK
[ 00:11:58 ] Sorry, honey, yeah um, you had seven or eight shootings, yeah there's like seven or so shootings in Charlotte and I just wonder what the hell I've I've done because I've never been that close to that amount of violence, that was within a one-mile-ish perimeter of me um, and so that's that's never left me for all the time that I've lived there which is Like less, less than you, but it still goes to add. It's always been there. It's not just because of Covid, and certain things have amplified people's willingness um to engage in that sort of activity because they feel emboldened or they feel that you know that they've been they have a right unjustly dealt with or whatever the reasons, they're never a good reason yeah to to to do that.
MEREDITH
[ 00:12:54 ] Well, and because of that, you know when we started researching where to go, Portugal was top of the list because I want to say it's like the seventh safest country, I think that's the most recent when we were looking, it was science sixth and I don't know. If it's dropped or if it's, it's still teetering around six or seven, but something like this country and like I, we, we leaned into that right. Like when we toured here and and came here as tourists, we certainly didn't feel unsafe, so then when we look at it and look at moving here, and read that it's so ranked so highly safety-wise, that's a big thing. But then I was like, well, we'll see when I get there, right? We'll see when we get there what it's really like, are you gonna feel comfortable, and I'm gonna tell you: we're in the second-largest city and we're in Porto, and I have not once felt threatened. I haven't. And so, it that is really. I just came back to this like we've talked about the adventure and travel, we've talked about the political stuff and this relates to the safety, um, issues that we were had concerns about, but like it is so nice and I'm not saying that like crime doesn't exist, it does. Come on, but I haven't even seen a lot of like arrests or like coppers, like it you know at night in the street.
MARK
[ 00:14:23 ] Like I just haven't been wandering around having fun with people and you know what happens, but again, I just think from a safety perspective, we're doing well. Um, 10 or so days ago, huge, it was massive, and there were thousands. That's the biggest problem that I've been in thousands of people, and we were all shuffling along like sardines in the same can, um, it was it was so so busy, but at no point did I ever feel threatened. I think the only thing that really pissed me off were people pushing in the queue, which if you know an Englishman, you know that queues are very important; they are extremely important because that's what gives order, yeah, and yes, so and I can't say I don't know what nationality they were-with Portuguese, English, Spanish, German, French, American, I don't know, no idea. But at the same time, it's just like, that was the only thing if that's the thing that we're worried
MEREDITH
[ 00:15:22 ] About is people pushing in the queue, and I'll take that, yeah.
MARK
[ 00:15:25 ] So, but at no point did I feel unsafe in that volume of people in that condensed area along the river because you know the river was the only place to get some escape, and you're not going in there anyway.
MEREDITH
[ 00:15:37 ] Anywho, anywho, and I will just say cap off the political conversation and move on with it; really, did and it still does – it's hard to wake up every day there and just hear the vitriol that is happening. Um, it's very hard, like, to the point where I just started turning the news off, yeah. And if something big were to happen, I'm gonna probably see it on social somewhere and be like Oh, I'm a few hours late; I just got it. It weighed on me, I say it weighed on me. I won't say it weighs on everyone; it weighed on me to a point where it just is... it's you want something different, you know? You want something sorry. So anyway, wrapping that up: so we've talked about adventure, we've talked about political and safety and all that other stuff. Here's the other one: health care, and these are not new issues; we all know about if you're an American, listing this is not like 'oh, I can't believe she's at' health care but y'all seriously, like the the impact here in this decision for us was really that we're getting older. I'm 45, you're 53, and i Think when one sits here and goes, 'Okay, well, what does the next 10-20 years look like in terms of health and healthcare needs? Um, it scared me a little bit because we were so beholden to the health insurance that was tied to our employer, yes, obviously. And then if you don't have that, the expense of health health insurance just to make sure that you don't have financial ruin if something were to happen to you, um, and think about it, it was just us, I wasn't even children, if we, yeah, I listen, I'm telling you right now, I if I was a mom in this situation, if I was a mom right now in the U.S. I'd be terrified, and I'm not doing this to set off a panic alarm to mom's listing, but it would make me very, very nervous because there are other people that I’m trying to protect, and I feel that way about my family and my friends as I sit here right now. But as you know, like I can only imagine like when you’re a mom how much that’s amplified. Um, I think for us I mean, think about it, what would the future look like in in terms of healthcare and medical and all of that in either the UK where you're from because that was an option right? It still is um Portugal versus the United States for us, what would that look like in the future, like if one of us got sick?
MARK
[ 00:18:33 ] Well, I mean, UK-wise, I'd just Go to the hospital and get dealt with it would be that simple, right? You know, national health care. You break your leg, you go there, you get fixed, you get stitched up, you get you know sent home. Um, and fortunately, that's it. And yes, okay, you do pay through your national insurance and contributions and taxes and things like that, and that's perfectly fine. But you're not doing it as a lump sum after the fact with 20 more invoices coming after the first one. And you look at it, and you think, 'There's again in the States.' But you know, I had some some stuff done, and three thousand dollars later, we still didn't have a diagnosis of anything. and then you get another invoice saying here's another 1200 or 212 dollars for something it's like what's this for oh it's for an aspirin i'm laughing but it's not funny and it's it's incredibly disgraceful i think the again it is not trying to go into this but a country of that size can't get its act together when it says it wants to get its head well i think that's the problem the country with that size right your which great it's going to require a lot of willingness like how long was your mom in the hospital recently how many like that's been about six weeks six weeks in the hospital and she didn't pay a penny right and different We just don't memorize CT, oh gosh, not just the daily all sorts, yeah.
MEREDITH
[ 00:20:02 ] So, anyway, bring it back to thinking about our future, right, and what that might look like there versus a country with a better healthcare situation. Do I say it's perfect? No, it's not. I mean, even in England, when I was there with your mom for a little while, I'm like, 'Why is this stuff right?' So, there's there's there's you know, um, definitely not perfect; there's snags in the process, yeah. I'll say that and so we know that, and that's what everybody argues against for national healthcare in the US. But anyway, when we thought about our future, there if we decide to stay here. Long term, which is a whole nother podcast right?
MARK
[ 00:20:49 ] I we felt like we were better positioned yeah if we were to do this yeah so I mean having again you know being a dual citizen with us UK um I do get benefits on both sides be it you know in whatever way that's that comes or whatever way I may ask for it I may get it I don't know but I think just having flexibility um for deciding what we do and when we do it where we do it well that's a privilege that is a privilege for sure but number two it's also a decision that we took on our own or you know undertook for ourselves to say okay we're going to give up this x amount of money we're going to pay the Money back, but instead we're going to use it for healthcare out of money for our corporate jobs and we're going to go to zero income essentially, um, and go and do this adventure. So again, when you see all of the some of the comments with people saying 'you move because of' and it's like, you know, absolute jack squat about why we move unless you're listening to different things but you know, chances are they're not, because well, they're not, um. But yeah, I think healthcare is massive and will continue to be massive, yeah.
MEREDITH
[ 00:22:11 ] Well, that leads us to the other, the other reason, which is, you know, our corporate stress and that whole Rat race concept and um, we've talked about this on here before, but I think we both were just tired, yeah, of you know, honestly, I, I was tired of like climbing a corporate ladder that I didn't even really want to climb, that's what it comes down to.
MARK
[ 00:22:38 ] Like, I, I don't know, I just did what society told me that I was supposed to do in order to have a good life, and then you end up there in a job that is just, it's golden handcuffs, it's you know, locking you into something that you, that it may have been absolutely brilliant and perfect at the beginning, but 10, 15, 20, 30 years later, in a job that is sucking the life out of you and giving you nothing but taking. Everything, yeah, the question really then becomes is it right for anybody else? Right that's a decision for the individual.
MEREDITH
[ 00:23:12 ] Well, and I think that you know we've outlined a lot of reasons just in the last few minutes about the reason our top reasons why we realized we were ready to move to Portugal from the U. So, you know the idea of this this episode was really to or is really to help you think about your own criteria as well so if you're identifying with some of this I totally get it and it's not hard to identify right most of this um you know ultimately when our potential like future regret of not doing it right outweighed our fear of doing it that's when we booked the appointment and started the visa process um it takes a lot to get to that point yeah i mean it took us nearly a year to get to that point and it may not take years yeah it might take you a minute but here's the flip side of this maybe talking about things like let's talk about reasons why it may not be right for certain people or some people right so like giving you guys an idea of like the criteria that that happened for us that made us go yes let's take the leap and then now talking about things that we've discussed being having been here now that if if we weren't like this or if we didn't like This then this transition might not have been right for us, right? Like moving abroad is not for everyone, and that's totally okay. We're kind of making it our mission a little bit to try to help people a figure out if moving abroad is for them, and b, if Portugal is the place where you want to be. So what do you think is like the top reason why someone might not... might not work for someone to move abroad?
MARK
[ 00:25:11 ] Um, well, I mean, leaving family – oh, that might be a big one.
MEREDITH
[ 00:25:19 ] Well, that's a big one for us, but we did it anyway.
MARK
[ 00:25:21 ] Yeah, so that's that's one. Are you comfortable with being uncomfortable and having... and that breaks off into so many
MEREDITH
[ 00:25:30 ] different subject points of like language assimilation culture and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on you know if it's not necessarily portugal if it's anywhere in the world every one of these things line up in any country no matter where yeah um but i think that like if you hate change this this is going to be tough it may be hard for you and that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it i'm just saying the awareness of like you know if that is something that you already struggle with yes or you feel very like you don't like to feel uncomfortable and Push through it then, it may be a transition that is more painful, yeah. For you, um, again not saying you shouldn't, but it is it's things to think about the assimilation thing is huge for me, yeah, having been here for six or seven months now right and you know even on some of the immigrant and expat forums that we are connected in Portugal, some of the comments that I see even from people who have moved here, I just want to scream because I'm like, 'What they're trying to do is make their life in the U.' So be there, life here in the same way I said this on a reel or something yesterday. It's like you don't come to a new country expecting to change it; you hope that it changes you, right. Absolutely, that should be your goal if you're gonna do this.
MARK
[ 00:27:07 ] I mean, that's definitely to my mind-that is definitely one thing that, if that's how you feel, that's a huge tick and a yeah, a reason to do something, to have change.
MEREDITH
[ 00:27:21 ] Wait, I don't understand what you said, but if you want to...
MARK
[ 00:27:24 ] um, if you want to assimilate, you're interested in the culture a different place, yeah; then that's huge, it's huge.
MEREDITH
[ 00:27:31 ] Well, that's why we fell in love with Portugal when we say we fell in love with Portugal-we fell in love with Portugal not just the place, it was people, the people and the culture. and the music, and the food, and everything it's like when you go to a place and it it creeps up in your heart like that. It's easier to assimilate so I think a lot of it has to do with finding the right place for you also, but like something that you connect to, yeah.
MARK
[ 00:28:04 ] But, yeah, I will also say this as well: the whole idea of assimilation again, going on holiday for a week or two weeks to a place, so and we'll talk about Portugal because, yeah, why not? Um, you go on holiday, visit three or four, five different places like Lisbon, Porto, Algarve, Cintra, wherever, and you have two or three days in each one. You're going to find an absolute love for every single place for maybe different reasons because they hold different reasons, um, and you're going to walk away from there going oh my god i could live there i could totally live there, oh my god, this is what we're going to do, um, and then step forward a year and a half later there's us and it's just like okay well we've had our city life and that was great but now we want a beach life and i think again just because you see it through a tourist view and you see it through rose-colored glasses that's great but you've just got to really drill down to, was i seeing it through that or am i seeing? Deeper beyond it to know, we need to do an entire episode on that, I can, I can be a part of this community, I can be a part of that. Like, what are the things that?
MEREDITH
[ 00:29:25 ] Yeah, we can do a total, we can do an entire episode on just that because seeing a place through the lens of a tourist and like being excited that you're on holiday or vacation as we like to say it, it's totally different than like being critical of a place and thinking, 'Can I actually live in that place? Daily life stuff doesn't meet the needs of what we're looking for. That's a really good one, like in terms of, you know, if you go somewhere and you're thinking about moving there, let's.
MARK
[ 00:30:05 ] Say you go on holiday for a week, and you just go to one place, Porto, and you spend a whole week. And you think, 'I could really live here' and falling off on that, you go home and you think, 'Okay, well we're both retired, and let's go and test it! Let's go and test it for up to three months because you can do that; you can travel, be traveling yeah yeah visa-less for three months in a place, in Portugal, in this case, and in many others but specifically for Portugal. And test drive it for a month, test drive it for two and a half months, whatever, don't overstay, you'll never get back, you know! And really dig down-is this right because that's The whole point of this this particular topic podcast is: Is it right for you? It was right for us; we did three different trips here before 2, 2, 2, and then a third to another main okay and here. But I just think you've got it, yeah, really honest and truthful with oneself with students; it's what I meant, is this what I want?
MEREDITH
[ 00:31:16 ] Yeah, I think the other one that I thought of earlier today when we were talking about this podcast's is: We know the mental health toll and the health. And this is not going to apply to everyone, but it's going to apply to many where no matter what, No matter if you love the transition or you're loving that you're living abroad or whatever the situation is, even if it's positive for you, there is going to likely be a mental toll that takes place because you're changing so much so fast. And I would say for someone who isn't aware of your own mental health, you'll be okay because you'll know what to do in terms of the tools and the meds or whatever you're going to need in order to thrive. But if you're on the flip side of that and you're not self-aware of your own mental health; it can be challenging. It can be really challenging over here in terms of that kind of transition to move abroad. And I would just say it's not a reason not to, but it's something to really think about for yourself and prepare more than anything else, right? That's really my message is like prepare for those things because it likely will happen for most people that they'll have some sort of. Mental health struggle with this transition and gosh, I'm getting all kinds of ideas about other podcast episodes for an entire episode too.
MARK
[ 00:33:05 ] But it's true though, because when we first came here on our visits and on our checking it out, where we're going to live and it was all beautiful and sunny and everything. And then we landed in December and it was pissing down with rain for like two and a half months, pretty much nonstop.
MEREDITH
[ 00:33:21 ] Nonstop.
MARK
[ 00:33:22 ] And so this whole thing. Yeah, this whole thing of like, oh my God, this, this is not what we signed up for. We didn't sign up for this much rain, for this much wind, for this much crap. And we've done our research. We signed up for the whole like sunshine and pretty Portugal, pretty glasses of wine on the harbour and blah, blah, blah. So it really comes down to being very aware of the realities and the differences between coming here as a tourist, seeing it, thinking, saying to yourself. Oh my God, I can totally live here and then doing it and then going, oh shit, I didn't think about X, Y, and Z. So I think this is really just the case of our way of saying, 'think about X, Y, and Z.' Yeah. And there's A, B, and C that we haven't spoken about that's probably going to apply to you. Because again, if you've got kids, you're going to think, 'oh my God, where are the kids going to go to school? How are they going to get there?' You know, there's so many different strands to a decision. And some that do and some that don't relate directly to us. Yeah.
MEREDITH
[ 00:34:26 ] And I mean, as we wrap this episode up, I would say this. It's really easy right now in the U. S. to want to run. I get it. I get it 100%. But I would say for anyone. I would say for anyone who is having that gut reaction to recent events and upcoming events and potential fallout in November, all those things that you take a breath and you really think about this one thing. And that is, am I running to something or am I just gut check running away? From something. And in my experience in life choices, whenever you're running away from something, it can not be the greatest situation. But whenever you are making a change and running toward something.
MARK
[ 00:35:42 ] You have an intent.
MEREDITH
[ 00:35:43 ] That is when magic can actually happen to me. And it's so easy right now, I think, for a lot of people to throw their hands up and say, I'm leaving. I'm done. I'm running away from this crap. People will accuse you all day long about running away from the problems. And you're becoming the problem because you're not staying and fighting. Can you tell that we've been online lately?
SPEAKER_3
[ 00:36:11 ] Just a little.
MEREDITH
[ 00:36:12 ] You have to put your blinders on and really think about for yourself. Am I running toward something and more opportunity for myself and my life and this peacefulness or more safety? Or whatever it is that you're wanting and focus on that more than I want to run away from all the crap that is frustrating me. And so that to me, that's ultimately the gut check.
MARK
[ 00:36:40 ] And I would just wrap it by saying, you know, whatever decision you make, if you make it as an intentional and informed decision of what works best for you in your situation. You know, you're never going to go wrong because ultimately you're going to make the best decisions for you and your family at the time, at the time, under the circumstances that you have just to me, that's what it really comes down to. Yeah.
MEREDITH
[ 00:37:10 ] Well, we hope this was helpful. You guys, thank you so much as always for joining us. Um, like share, follow, please give us a rating on Apple and Spotify. If. You're so inclined and, um, we hope to continue bringing you content that's valuable. Yeah. Hey, and let us know, like send us a message on Instagram or send us a message on TikTok or something about if there's something burning that you would love for us to talk about on our podcast, we would love to do that.
MARK
[ 00:37:42 ] Plus Q&A, I was going to say, so we have an upcoming Q&A, so send a bunch of questions in and, um, cause that's always great. I mean, we find things that we want to talk about that. We think. We'll be valuable, but there are sometimes, you know, lots of questions that other people have got that we might not think about. So throw them our way.
MEREDITH
[ 00:38:05 ] Awesome.
MARK
[ 00:38:06 ] Thanks guys. Thank you very much. See you next time. Have fun.
MEREDITH
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MARK
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MEREDITH
[ 00:38:33 ] Cheers y'all.